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My rheumy has decided the MTX is ineffective and I need to stop. I had a letter to come for BP check and prescription, which I did today. As ever, now I have come home with lots of unanswered questions! I've looked at previous threads but was wondering if anyone else is just starting on this?
When is the best time of day to take this, or does it not matter? I know I have to have BP checked every month, but is there anything else I should know? Thanks, Ailsa
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Hello Alisha,
I was on MTX and had to come off that last year because effected my liver.
My BP has been high due to you job . I was signed off sick as was soo poorly in March. This was with Flare with RA ( as only had depo's since Dec 2009) and fatigue was immense (as still is ) I am still off work and eventually I started lefl. 4 weeks now. I have not notice any change in my RA, but I have had extremely bad head aches , almost migrane.
I spoke to my RA nurse today and I have to stop it for 1 week to check it is this drug causing the head pains.
I was advised to take my tablet in morning and have monthly BP and Bloods taken (the tab can cause high bp so essential that this is done)
Good luck , I may have been just unlucky (which is my luck at the mo)
Take Care Rose
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Hi Alisha
I take leflunomide, hydroxy, diclo and 2.5 mg since February and it has not brought my RA under control unfortunately, when I first took it felt very poorly like severe flu so took it at bedtime and noticed a remarkable improvement, it may just have been coincidental but perhaps worth a try, or check with your GP first to make sure.
We all react differently to these drugs and hope this works well for you.
Take care Julia x
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Hi Ailsa When I took Leflunomide I always took it first thing in the morning. I can't remember whether I was told to do that or it was simply my decision. There are a number of side effects that you would need to be aware of but these should be covered in the information leaflet in the packet. Like all new drugs being aware of changes is important in early recognition of potential problems. Have you had the skin test to check for latent TB? Also, this is one of those drugs that has longevity and it can stay in your system for as much as two years. If you need to come of it quickly, for example if you experienced really bad side effects, they can do a drug elimination process to clear it out very quickly. I took this drug for only two and a half months and it produced some severe side effects. Fortunately these days controls are so much better than they were 10 years ago! I do hope this one works for you and gives you an improved quality of life. Good luck Ailsa, Lyn x
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I 've been lucky on Leflunomide,having gradually built it up to current dose of 20mg daily. Initially my BP did go up a lot but has now settled down, with monthly checks to make sure it stays that way. I always take mine at night, together with all sorts of other stuff (including Hydroxychloroquine as Lefl wasn't coping too efficiently with all my RA issues). I did find my appetite almost completely vanished for several weeks, (but that was no bad thing,!!!!) and I am honestly MUCH better on Lefl than I ever was on MTx or any combinations we tried in the early days. Recently I have experienced some peripheral neuropathy (tingling in hands, feet, numbness face) but this may well be due to another illness. Anyway, GOOD LUCK with the stuff, hope it works for you, and make sure you keep those BP appts, very important, Love Lxx Always be aware that what you do might hurt others........and if it could, do nothing without careful consideration of the consequences
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Thankyou for the advice ladies - I have had an awful sickly headache all day and been in and out of bed. Don't know if it is because of the lefl or one I would have had anyway. I've got up to watch World Cup final but can't focus on the TV, so it will have to be an early night for me and hope I feel ok in the morning.
I'm still on the plaquenil - do I still need the folic acid now or is that just for the MTX? The nurse didn't mention TB either so I'm feeling a bit unsure of what I'm letting myself in for.
Really appreciate hearing from you XX Ailsa
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Don't think you need the Folic acid now, mine was only when I was on Mtx, but check with "them" as soon as you can get hold of someone sensible. And the TB is only a check IN CASE you have had any signs of it, as Lefl is a no-no then; they sometimes do xrays if you have a history of frequent/ persistent chest infections; if you haven't then don't get too worried about it. Headaches too.......well, maybe the stress and excitement of wanting to watch the match, ...or the weather....or because all these queries about your medication ought to have been sorted out at the clinic and you should NOT have been left with so much to worry you. It's a HUGE thing when they change your drugs, and I don't think they realise just how big it is for each one of us. TAKE CARE and keep posting so we know how you're getting on, Lxx Always be aware that what you do might hurt others........and if it could, do nothing without careful consideration of the consequences
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Hello Ailsa.
Sorry you have bad head today. As I previously said i stopped taking it on Fri last due to VERY bad heads over the past 4 weeks. I am thinking it may be as Sat and Sun I am free again. So need to wait until the full week up to confirm this. But then I need to start the whole process again. ugh - Good luck to you
I only took the folic acid when I was on MTX - but obviously I would check.
Rose
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Hello Ailsa
I have been on Leflunomide for about 3 years with no problems except l developed high BP recently which is well controlled on medication. I originally had problems with MTX (liver enzymes raised) and previously tried Sulphasalazine (moody!) Hydroxychloroquine and Minocycline worked for a short time only. I originally took it with sulphasalazine but it seemed to work so well l now just take Leflunomide. My RA is reasonably controlled with just Leflunomide and l would say to anyone its worth a try, its working (ish!) with no real side effects, for me at least.
No folic acid, just monthly blood tests and blood pressure check, and flu jabs yearly.
Best of luck
Christine xx
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I've been on Lef for just over 2 months and got a phone call to come off it today - as my neutrophil levels are low (0.9). Am panicking a bit as I'm concerned about my immune system and worst case scenarios. I'm getting more bloods done next Wednesday. Since going on Lef, I have to say I've had a headache every single morning, and I've lost over half a stone in that 2 and a bit months as I have absolutely no appetite.
Not sure what they are going to do next, as I spent 6 months on MTX and had to come off that too.
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Sorry to hear you have had to come off Rubba - hope the problem with your blood corrects itself soon. It is awful to start imagining the worst but hard not to. My white cell count is up so I have had to get another fbc done this week. Not sure what that means - I don't seem to have any infection. Interesting what you said about waking with a headache - I have had a couple of dreadful heads in the 2 weeks I have been taking lef - it takes a lot for me to vomit and I have had 2 episodes in the last 10 days. Don't know if it is the lef or something else but I am keen not to have any more! Really hoping this drug works as my crp has doubled in the last few weeks and esr is now 119. Has anyone had a big success with lef? It seems the only stories I have read are about problems.  XX Ailsa
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Hi Ailsa, My journey with leflunomide was another problem one!! I`m sure it does work for some folks but I was really ill with it, and although I did persevere in the hopes things would improve, I had to stop taking it when it began to play havoc with my liver. Sorry I can`t be more encouraging, Kathleen x
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Hello Ailsa and all
AS you know I stopped Llef over 2 weeks now and I have to say my headaches have stopped . I have had a bad cough and coughs can cause you to have a head ache but even then I have not had any.
I spoke to my RA nurse who says she has to speak with the Specialist but on holiday for 3 weeks so a wait to find our WHAT NEXT.
Keep in touch all
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Don't specialists always go away when you need them?  Glad your headaches have gone Rose. I was nearly quitting after Thursday's hideous headache too. We are going away tomorrow and I need to be well! Hope you don't have to wait too long to find something which works. Thanks for all the info and advice everyone. Leflunomide does seem to have a lot more side effects than MTX. XX Ailsa
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Hi Ailsa
This was my post last saturday
I take leflunomide, hydroxy, diclo and 2.5 mg since February and it has not brought my RA under control unfortunately, when I first took it felt very poorly like severe flu so took it at bedtime and noticed a remarkable improvement, it may just have been coincidental but perhaps worth a try, or check with your GP first to make sure.
We all react differently to these drugs and hope this works well for you.
Over the past few weeks have been getting worse, my est and crp have gone up alot , hence why in so my pain etc. I tried to get hold of the rheumy nurse, her message inbox was full, my GP faxed an urgent letter to consultant, but after a week no reply. I spoke to GP on phone and he suggested ( like he has told others at his practice in the same position as me ) to see him privately. I went this week, he was very apologetic and went into great detail about under funding and how he can t cope at such a large hospital on his own, it was quite incredible how honest his was. When I did see him in Feb, he was working through his dinner hour so not at all surprised by what he told me.
Anyway, he is referring me for Infliximab, he said he will try and squeeze me in urgently for the first assessment as it takes about 2/3 months to get everything in place. It is obviously not right to have to go private, but to me worth every penny really.
Have a lovely break away , Julia x
For Rose B - hope you had a lovely time with your sister, really hope you get things on the move very soon. Julia x
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Ailsa and Julia
Thank yes lovely relaxing time with my sister nice to be waited on. Keep in touch with our 'journey' on these drugs.
Rose
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Hi I have been to see my consultant today and have had leflunomide added to the mix. I take mtx 20mg, folic acid, amitriptyline, arthrotec 75 and lots od co-codomol 30/500!
I was also wondering about what others have found with this drug so i'm glad of this post.
All these drugs are a worry. I started off with sulph,stopped that and started hydro and then mtx, gradual increases to 20mg. Still very stiff, painful and swollen joints nothing seems to work.
The frustration of not being able to get about and do things is the worse thing to cope with i think.
Love to all
Shirley
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Hi Shirley
It is quite concerning that none of the dmards you have tried so far are not doing their job. I can t take meth due to a lung condition and leflunomide isn t controlling the inflamation so my consultant is putting me forward for infliximab, fingers crossed. I m sure you will get some good advice on here about your current situation and sorry to hear how poorly you are at present.
Hope things improve for you very soon.
Julia x
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Hi Julie
I hope the infliximab will work well for you. I have heard that it is a very good drug for some people.
It is very frustrating trying all the different drugs before the medics find the right one. I understand that really it all boils done to the cost of some of the drugs.
I wish you well.
Shirley x
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Hi Shirley
I was really bad the other week, went to my GP, I told him a did not think co codamol was working, I don t get on with Tramadol so he s given me medium strenght Butrans patches. He is difficult to define whether the patches worked really well as I increased my steroid from 2.5 to juggling around about 7.5mg. but it maybe worth a try.
Take care, Julia x
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